Craps Strategy: Best Craps Bets The best bets to place, whether you’re just starting out or a seasoned pro, are the Pass Line bet and Don’t Pass Line bets. These bets are similar to Blackjack and roulette in that you basically have a 50/50 chance of doubling up and the house only has a 1.41% advantage.

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Although I have tested a lot of systems, I don't need to test all of them to know they are all worthless. No system can ever pass the test of time. It is not unusual to win for a while with a system, but if you keep playing the odds will eventually catch up to you and you will fall behind.
For more information about the futility of betting systems, please see The Truth about Betting Systems.

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That is known as 3-4-5X odds, and is now pretty common. The following table shows all the possible outcomes, for the pass and odds combined, with full odds.

Return Table with 3-4-5X Odds

Event	Pays	Probability	Return
Pass line win	1	0.222222	0.222222
Pass line loss	-1	0.111111	-0.111111
Point of 4 or 10 & win	7	0.055556	0.388889
Point of 4 or 10 & lose	-4	0.111111	-0.444444
Point of 5 or 9 & win	7	0.088889	0.622222
Point of 5 or 9 & lose	-5	0.133333	-0.666667
Point of 6 or 8 & win	7	0.126263	0.883838
Point of 6 or 8 & lose	-6	0.151515	-0.909091
Total	1.000000	-0.014141

The standard deviation per pass line bet is 4.915632.

Unlike most gambling writers, I don't put much emphasis on betting strategies. Assuming the same game and bet, there is no one right or wrong strategy. They all behave differently in the short run, but in the long run you will give the house the same percentage of total money bet.

This is similar to a question I got last week. Yes, it is true that there are ten ways to roll a 6 or 8, and six ways to roll a 7. However, one must not look at the probabilities alone, but weight them against the payoffs. The place bet on the 6 and 8 pays 7 to 6 odds when fair odds would pay 6 to 5. By making six unit place bets on the 6 and 8, and taking the other down if one wins, the probability of winning 7 units is 62.5% and the probability of losing 12 units is 37.5%. If the player must cover both the 6 and 8, then the place bet is the way to go. This rate of return isn't bad but could be better. For the player who puts a priority on minimizing the overall house edge, the best strategy is to make combinations of pass, don't pass, come, and don't come bets, and always take the maximum allowable odds.

The better system is to bet on the don't pass only and take full odds. Yes, betting on both does increase you chances of winning on any one bet. However you are suffering a higher combined house edge by betting on both the pass and don't pass and it will cost you in the long run.

Yes, it was luck. It helped that you stuck to the low house edge bets. However, next time, make the line bets with odds only, and don't bet the field, especially if it pays 2 to 1 only on both the 2 and 12.

No combination of bets can give the player an advantage. In your example you would lose one unit for every 12 on the come out roll. You don't make up for it laying the odds. While you usually win laying the odds, you have to risk more. In the end, laying the odds has zero house edge.

As long as you are backing up your pass and come bets with full odds, it doesn't make any difference how many come bets you make. However, it does reduce the overall house edge to keep the odds on your come bets working on the come out roll.

You should never remove a don't pass bet after a point is made! Once a point is made of 6 or 8 the don't pass has equity of 9.09% of the bet amount, which you would be throwing away by taking the bet down. The equity of a don't pass bet on a point of 5 or 9 is 20%, and on a 4 or 10 is 33.33%.

Thanks for the compliment on my site. The best thing I can say about this system is that it composed of low house edge bets. Yes, a 12 will lose the pass bet and push the don’t pass on the come out roll, this is where the house edge is. By making the pass bet you are increasing the overall house edge. If you’re afraid losing you shouldn’t be playing at all. Never hedge your bets. So my advice is to stick to just the don’t pass and laying odds. Yes, you’ll lose some on the come out roll. However if you don’t lose on the come out roll the don’t pass bet will usually win.

I am a novice, just starting to play. My question concerns the 'Five Count Doey/Don’t' System. The way I understand the system:

1. Wait until the shooter establishes a point.
2. Play both come/don’t come (same amount). Until you have a maximum of four numbers
3. After the shooter has rolled five times without rolling a 7, take odds on all your numbers on the front side.

The rationale: Limit your exposure until you find a 'qualified' (five rolls without a 7) shooter. Only betting the odds so there is no 'house edge'! Can you compare this system with just playing pass/come and taking the odds?

As I stated in the other craps strategy question you are only mixing another house edge bet into the game by betting on both the pass and don’t pass, or come and don’t come. It is also not going to help to wait until a shooter hits five points. The probability of making a point is the same for me and you as it is for somebody who just threw 100 points in a row. In other words, the past does not matter. As I stated to the person who asked the other question (whom I think may also be you) don’t make opposite bets, just stick to either the do or don’t side and always back up your bets with the odds.

Unless bankroll preservation is very important to you then Kelly betting won’t help. I would just flat bet. Nice strategy to milk the comp system.

The American Mensa Guide to Casino Gambling has the following 'anything but seven' combination of craps bets that shows a net win on any number except 7. Here's how much MENSA advises to bet in the 'Anything but 7' system:

• 5- place $5
• 6- place $6
• 8- place $6
• field- $5
• total= $22

They claim the house edge is 1.136%. How is that possible if every individual bet made has a higher house edge?

Good question. To confirm their math I made the following table, based on a field bet paying 3 to 1 on a 12. The lower right cell does shows an expected loss of 25 cents over $22 bet. So the house edge is indeed .25/22 = 1.136%.

Mensa Anything but Seven Combo

Number	Probability	Field	Place 5	Place 6	Place 8	Win	Return
2	0.027778	10	0.000000	0.000000	0.000000	10	0.277778
3	0.055556	5	0.000000	0.000000	0.000000	5	0.277778
4	0.083333	5	0.000000	0.000000	0.000000	5	0.416667
5	0.111111	-5	7	0.000000	0.000000	2	0.222222
6	0.138889	-5	0.000000	7	0.000000	2	0.277778
7	0.166667	-5	-5	-6	-6	-22	-3.666667
8	0.138889	-5	0.000000	0.000000	7	2	0.277778
9	0.111111	5	0	0.000000	0	5	0.555556
10	0.083333	5	0.000000	0.000000	0.000000	5	0.416667
11	0.055556	5	0	0.000000	0.000000	5	0.277778
12	0.027778	15	0.000000	0.000000	0.000000	15	0.416667
Total	1	-0.25

The reason the overall house edge appears to be less than the house edge of each individual bet is because the house edge on place bets is generally measured as expected player loss per bet resolved.
However, in this case the player is only keeping the place bets up for one roll. This significantly reduces the house edge on the place bets from 4.00% to 1.11% on the 5 and 9, and from 1.52% to 0.46% on the 6 and 8.
For you purists who think I am inconsistent in measuring the house edge on place bets as per bet resolved (or ignoring ties) then I invite you to visit my craps appendix 2 where all craps bets are measured per roll (including ties).

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No. I had to Google this to find out what this is. This appears to me to be an amusing urban legend about some young scientists who developed a winning craps system. The story is told at Quatloos. I would file this under other fictional stories that have become mistaken for fact, like Joshua’s missing day. As I have said hundreds of times, not only can betting systems not beat games like craps, they can’t even dent the house edge.

If the player bets $5 on the field and 5, and $6 on the 6 and 8, then he will have a net win of $2 on the 5, 6, and 8, $10 on the 2, $15 on the 12, and $5 on the other field numbers, assuming that the 12 pays 3 to 1 on the field. The player will lose $22 on a 7. On a per roll basis, the player can expect to lose 25 cents compared to $22 in bets, for a house edge of 1.136%.

This begs the question, why is this lower than the individual house edge of each bet made? It’s not. The reason it seems that way is the result of comparing apples to oranges. The house edge of place bets is usually expressed as the expected loss per bet resolved. Looking at the individual bets on a per-roll basis, the house edge on the 5 is 1.11%, and on the 6 and 8 is 0.46%, according to my craps appendix 2. Comparing apples to apples, the house edge is a weighted average of the house edge on the field, 5, 6, and 8, on a per-roll basis, or (5/22)×2.778% + (5/22)×1.111% + (6/22)×0.463% + (6/22)×0.463% = 1.136%.

For the benefit of other readers, the 5-Count is a method of slow-playing craps, as discussed in ’Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution’ by Frank Scoblete and Dominator. As the book states, it is a way of betting nothing on some rolls, reducing your expected loss on random shooters, while still getting the full comp value of table time.

The way the 5-Count works is you start counting rolls as soon as a new shooter throws any point number. When you get to five rolls after you start counting, the shooter is deemed worthy, and you start betting. However, you if the 5th roll is not a point number, it doesn’t count.

The book says you will only be betting 43% of the time, which I agree with. It is common for craps players to not bet, bet small, or bet the don’t pass on new shooters, as a way to qualify him. Once a shooter has made a point, or thrown lots of point numbers, the other players will gain confidence in him, and start betting with him. So, this kind of strategy seems natural. When casinos rate your average bet, they don’t lower the average for betting nothing some of the time. However, sometimes they will dock your time, especially if you are betting big.

An alternative strategy is to wait until the shooter makes a point. Under this strategy you will only be betting 40.6% of the time, less than the 43.5% with the 5-Count.

Yes! I’ve said many times that betting systems not only can’t beat a house edge game, they can’t even dent it. That includes denting it in the house’s favor. In other words, even if he tried to lose, he still only gives up 0.18% over the long-run, under your assumptions. Over a shorter time, he probably could do this, but not over 'years.' Some might argue that to deliberately lose, the player should do an anti-Martingale, where the player kept pressing his bets until he lost. However, a problem there is that a winning player will eventually reach the table maximum, which is rather low in craps. It just goes to show how futile betting systems are.

for me, the fun for playing the Rightside is pressing the bets.
but w/Dark, you cant do that. Once a 7 comes, you win but all the bets are taken down. There's no riding the Hot Roll.
So what do you find fun in playing the Darkside?The 7-out jackpot.

So what do you find fun in playing the Darkside?

Coloring up fairly consistently. Sure beats losing your stack consistently.The Darkside is the 'right side' for consistent winning in Craps. At least that's what most craps players that I have met in the casino through the years have told me. I HATE playing the Don'ts which can explain my empty wallets on most craps sessions.
My one advice to Don't players. Don't touch the dice! The craps gods are very satirical and love to have Don't players go on long runs with the dice. One of my most consistent winning strategies through the years is to bet on the Pass Line whenever a Don't shooter is shooting the dice from the 'Don't Pass Line'. The most points I have ever made is 8 points....all shooting from the 'Don'ts'!
I did place the Point number also so I did not complain :-)
Don't Pass Line 'Strategies'
1) The best advice I have received about 'Don't Pass Betting' is to Flat Bet. Bet the same amount against every shooter regardless of the point (4,5,6,8,9,10)
2) Do not let one 'hot shooter' kill your bankroll. If a player makes two points in a row...don't bet again until he/she sevens out.
3) Craps is heavy on variance. Enjoy the ride when everybody 7's out all day. When the table gets 'hot', leave!
4) Don't play on 'choppy' tables...everybody loses!I like to play the dark side when I am the only one at the table at the start

2) Do not let one 'hot shooter' kill your bankroll. If a player makes two points in a row...don't bet again until he/she sevens out.

Please help me understand. 'Two points' seems arbitrary.
Why not three points? Why not 'don't bet the dark side before three consecutive point-sevens?'
I just want to understand the mathematical advantage to such a strategy.

Fun?
If I walk away from the table with more money than I had when I started, it was fun.
Darkside? Once I'm past that Come Out roll, I'm the one betting on the number that is MOST likely to be rolled.

And the problem is??
Sounds like a winner to me.

Please help me understand. 'Two points' seems arbitrary.
Why not three points? Why not 'don't bet the dark side before three consecutive point-sevens?'
I just want to understand the mathematical advantage to such a strategy.

There is no Mathematical formula to it; it is arbitrary. You have to decide when a 'streak' begins and avoid getting burned by it. I think streaks start at 2 based on my craps experience. Some 'Darkside' players will not bet against someone who hits a 7/11 on a Comeout roll.
When I see 'Don't players' go bankrupt (Very rarely); it's due to stubbornness. Craps is 'random' but most of the time there is only one 'hot' shooter on a craps table if there is one at all. If you can avoid losing your entire bankroll to that 'hot' shooter; you will do well. Everybody has their criteria of 'hot' shooter.
Some people like a shooter who will hits multiple points; I prefer a 'hot shooter' who repeats the same number over and over again. When I am 'hot'; I hit 4's, 10's and hardways all day!
Playing the Don'ts properly takes a lot of patience. Can you stand there and watch a player hit 7 consecutive points without betting against him? In my opinion; the Casino's biggest strength is convincing us that 'Craps is Random'. Everybody is unique...people go on 'runs'. Avoid the 'hot/lucky' shooter and make your money playing the Don'ts. I don't like playing the Don'ts because I LOVE the social aspect and comaraderie on a craps table among 'right-side', Pass Line players.
I know a craps player in Florida who did not make a SINGLE point in 3 months of craps play (10+) sessions that I personally saw earlier this year. I decided to play the Don'ts against him (even though I HATE playing the Don'ts). The dark side players on the casino boat welcomed me to their side. He hit his first point and I 'knew' right away things would be different. He had not hit a point in 10 sessions that I witnessed...now he hits a point...I am not betting against this guy! I switched to the Pass Line, Don't players kept on betting heavy against him and lost BIG when he went on a ridiculous run of points.
My advice to Don't Players;
1) Define your definition of 'hot' shooters and avoid them. Don't lose your bankroll on one shooter.
2) Avoid getting killed on the Comeout Rolls. I have seen too many sessions where people have hit multiple 7's/11's on the Comeout rolls and destroyed players betting heavy on the Don't pass line.
3) If you notice a player hitting lots of 7's on the Comeout roll; lay all the #'s and get PAID; I'm working on adding this to my Craps 'strategy'. There is always a run of 4-5 consecutive 7's/11's on the Comeout roll; Laying all the #'s will get you paid! Also an 11 on the Comeout roll (Puck is off) does not affect your lay bets.
4) Playing the Don'ts is a marathon, not a sprint; make sure you have the patience and personality for it.
5) Do not hedge; that usually starts a bad precedent, then you might go crazy making too many hedge bets. Laying the 4's and 10's and hedging with the Hard 4 and Hard 10 is not a winning formula.
6) You are either a Pass Line Bettor or Don't Pass Line Bettor. Very few people know how to be both. Trying to flip-flop is a recipe for disaster most of the time!
7) Have a huge bankroll; playing the Don'ts takes a bankroll double the size of a Pass Line Bettor.
8) Avoid excessive celebrations. Craps is a social game. Playing the Don'ts makes you a target of some right side players.
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In reference to Don't Pass Line #5, I tried 'laying the point' my last craps session especially against the 4 & 10 with the Hard 4 & Hard 10. I have never seen so many 3/1's and 6/4's in my life! I 'layed' against the point 15 times (Documented) and did not win a single point. Either the player hit the point or hit lots of place #'s (getting me scared) so I picked up my 'lay' bet. You already know what happens most of the time you pick up a 'lay' bet; SEVEN!
In reference to Don't Pass Line #8, Personally I LOVE playing against Don't players who celebrate too much. Gives me extra motivation to make the point and 'Take down the Don'ts'

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*Please understand that these are only my opinions. I do not play the Don'ts on a regular basis so Don't players should have much better advice compared to me based on what they see on craps tables through the years.

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